Horology.edu Says ORIENT WATCH Movement Better Than Swiss ETA Movement

August 24th, 2011 Posted in Orient Watch Reviews | 65 Comments

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The school of Horology (yes, THE school of horology) has made a video available to the public that talks about the superiority of the ORIENT in-house movement found in the Mako CEM65001B to that of the popular ETA movement that is found in a lot of Swiss watches.

Here are the key points to their video:

  • They compared the winding mechanisms of the Orient movement 46943 (found in the CEM65002D) to the Swiss ETA movement 2892.a2
  • There are ball bearings in the Orient and it takes very little movement to produce winding motion.
  • It’s less fancy, thus making it more efficient
  • It uses fewer parts and ball bearings for a higher conversion of kinetic energy.

What are commenters our saying:

Steve V

I am sorry but I must whole heartedly … agree. I have two very nice very popular Swiss made watches, one with the greatest innovation in watch making in the last hundred years. And I have an Orient #2ER00002D, it is within one second every week and my other two gain five and seven seconds each per week.
I like them all equally but the cost and accuracy of the Orient compared to the other watches means it is a better value.

ChandanMukherjee

My Orient watch is 35 years old and it looks as if I bought it yesterday. The otherday someone offered me 1000 pounds for the watch. I gently refused. It is dearer than my wife to me. The model gives date, day,calender and world time.

Dino Goden

My observation seems to back up this video. I have several automatics/mechanicals: one Swiss ETA, and several branded Miyota movements, several Chinese mushroom brands, two Seiko, and two Orients. In the my 3 years of watch collecting, cleaning and fixing usually runs me about $80 to $100 per watch at the jeweler, whereas I’ve never had to do spend any money on maintenance on the Orients. The simplicity of design directly translates into savings.

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  1. 65 Comments | Tell us what you think!

  2. By Javier Santos on Aug 29, 2009

    Beautiful pepsi bezel on that piece, and one more reason to feel confident about owning Orient pieces.

  3. By Ron Good on Aug 29, 2009

    Asian watchmakers have a great talent for intelligently simplifying movements, making them easier to service and easier to mass produce without loss of quality (utility, accuracy and durability).

    It’s nice to see this example so clearly shown and explained.

  4. By Valentin Hurdubaie on Sep 4, 2009

    great video , always wanted to see the difference between japanese and swiss movements

  5. By John von Kreuz on Sep 22, 2009

    Well hopefully this will further batter down the wall of snobbery of “Swiss vs Japanese”.

  6. By Dan Fcok on Oct 14, 2009

    Well after seeing the videa and the comments, I am even more convinced that I need to use more Asian movements.

    The Swiss need to pull up their socks

  7. By Hex on Dec 11, 2009

    I think you’ve assumed too much from the video. The narrator never said which movement is better, neither if one winding mechanism is better than the other. What was said is that “this is the most superior system that they [Orient] have, for winding” and Orient’s winding system is easier to service and produces less wear (but he doesn’t comment on its efficiency as a winding system).

    I don’t favor any movement over the other, I just wanted to point out that your post and follow up comments are bases on assumptions.

  8. By Joel on Dec 29, 2009

    That video definitely shows the simplicity of the Orient design. I dont think they are saying the ETA is a bad movement, just that it requires a little more care and maintenance than the Orient.

  9. By pete edwards on Jan 5, 2010

    I am preparing to produce a watch case to my own one off design using mother of pearl as a major constituent.
    The Orient movement must, after viewing the video, be given serious consideration. It appears the simplfied construction of the rotor would afford ease in embellishing with a decorative machine finish, thus enhancing my hand made case.
    I trust the movements available on their own
    and in small batches.
    regards Pete

  10. By Tim on Jan 16, 2010

    After seeing the video convinced that Asian movements are just as good as Swiss but Orient need to make their own design instead of copying Rolex.

  11. By Dan on Jan 23, 2010

    every watch company makes their own models that are similar to the submariner or gmt in design. they are just classics.

  12. By John in Perry on Feb 1, 2010

    Any idea if the Orient movement can fit in a Rolex? :)

  13. By Stephanie Weil on Feb 20, 2010

    The author did comment on the Orient’s efficiency.

    The winding rotor spins around with very little effort. So that means even the slightest movement while you wear the watch will power the mechanism and make it do it’s job.

    At least that’s what I interpreted.

  14. By Speedmaster on Feb 23, 2010

    Does that Orient movement wind in both directions?

  15. By Joe on Feb 27, 2010

    Less complicated usually means stronger and more reliable. The old adage, “KISS- Keep It Simple Stupid” comes to mind. Most if not all automatic watches require maintenance and oiling at some point. Less parts means less to go wrong. I’m sold!

  16. By Marc Shaffer on Mar 12, 2010

    I own both Orient and ETA automatics and none of my ETA movements are better then my basic Orient Mako Diver. It is a great watch, great movement, at a great price…..thank you Orient.

  17. By Gil Belford on Mar 16, 2010

    It’s always nice to see the use of ingenuity to improve something that a lot of people already thought perfect.

    Makes me feel even better about owning an Orient watch.

  18. By Charles Monroe on Apr 21, 2010

    The supurb craftmanship displayed in making orient watches compelled me to own one myself. No matter what style I choose to wear the watch will be an orient.Thank you Orient watches!

  19. By James McAndrew on May 3, 2010

    Well Orient has come up with some nice designs in stead of the old fashion and dull disigns it used to have-and people like me are now looking at them.Again people are looking for value and reliabilty.The price of these watches are very reasonable considing they have a mechancal movements they are great vaule for money Iam buying one!

  20. By William Albertson on May 3, 2010

    After watching this video and several others you have furnished on the Orient movement, I ordered my first Orient watch; model CDB05001W.

  21. By David Adams on May 5, 2010

    hi they look very nice i have over 500 watches most with swiss movements i have the SWISS VALGRANGE SERIES ETA A07021 AUTOMATIC CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT & 4 with the Swiss ETA Valjoux 7750, 25 jewel automatic chronograph movement. i have been looking at your watches for a long time and will probably pick up one when i find a automatic chronograph that catches my eye looks like a great work of art when i get one i will get back to you and tell you what i think thanks for the info it helps me i love to learn new stuff at my work there is 13 of us that try to out watch the other maybe your watch will help me win again

  22. By Hrab Traian on Jun 16, 2010

    I own a Orient Mako Diver . It is a great watch, great movement, at a great price, I like it.I like mechanical watches. Thank you Orient.

  23. By Gareth on Jul 6, 2010

    …And you know that your watch will be fine after the lightning storm!

    I have to admit to loving anything that has a fine mechanical movement and escapement. Electronic watches are good but the craftsmanship and skills needed to make and design a mechanical watch are so much more advanced. Hats off to a fine product and if you have to deal with high voltage electricity these little guys will still keep running unlike their electronic counterparts! :-)

  24. By Orient Watches on Aug 2, 2010

    Orient mechanical watches are great. That’s all I can say. Just great. Perfect.

  25. By Eric on Aug 19, 2010

    I have my very first Orient Black Mako. Initially I was switching between my Mako and my old Quartz every so often the switching lessen and now I continuously use my Black Mako. Very beautiful watch.

  26. By Stephen Malone on Aug 20, 2010

    I have a yellow face Orient automatic. I know that taking it off for three days it will still be ticking. I have many watches but this one so far has been the best. Many people say they like the yellow face. I want another watch but can’t deside which one.
    Thank you Orient watch

  27. By richard rose on Sep 10, 2010

    My Orient Watch does not have a power reserve or a skeleton movement, but I am looking forward to owning one that does. However, it does get a great deal of attention for the design of the dial.

  28. By Steve Jones on Sep 23, 2010

    Oh you shy, shy Orient.
    You chose to hide your
    humble rotor ‘neath a back of stainless steel

    While those Swiss, all perlaged up,
    put windows in back thinking we’d
    give more for so many wheels

    Horologists know, and you-Tube
    viewers too, that sprockets may impress
    but, ball bearings are the best.

  29. By Smaug on Nov 7, 2010

    They did not “clearly say the Orient system is superior.” That is taken out of context. It was evident that they were impressed by the simplicity. I would like to see a more complete list of pros and cons by the good folks at a WOSTEP accredited watchmaking school.

    I’m especially interested in this, because I have one watch with an ETA 2892 movement (a Limes Bauhaus from several years ago; no longer made) and I have my first Orient on the way, a basic power reserve watch.

    From an engineering standpoint, simpler is better, AS LONG AS IMPORTANT FUNCTIONALITY IS NOT LOST along the way. For instance: if the rotor in the Orient moves more easily, maybe it doesn’t matter if the ETA has bidirectional winding and the Orient doesn’t? (I don’t know if that Orient is bidirectional winding or not) How about the face that the ball bearing pivot in the ETA 2892 is so much larger? I bet that tends to make it more durable and lengthens the time between service intervals. There are a lot of factors to take into consideration.

    I would like to see a comparison between the base level automatic movements from ETA, Seiko, Miyota, Orient, and Rolex. It would be interesting, because even cost aside, I bet the less expensive Orient movement will have some advantages over the very expensive Rolex one!

    Thanks for posting this, and wish me luck with my first Orient watch, which should arrive Monday, Nov. 8, 2010, just in time for vacation!

  30. By Daniel M. on Nov 19, 2010

    This is authentic creativity at its best. Keep it up Orient! I better see you guys winning something in Swiss territory soon!!

    Regards,

    D

  31. By Nikhil on Nov 26, 2010

    Dear Sir,

    I own 3 Omega Sea masters & 1 Hamilton. Having observed both Omega & ETA movements I have now ordered Orient EZAE002B watch.

    I am sure its performance will be as good as any of the swiss watches.

    Orient is a great company which has kept its tradition of making Automatic Movements alive while rest of the world has moved on to Electronic trash.

  32. By Legros Serge on Nov 27, 2010

    je possède plusieurs montres automatiques ORIENT.
    La qualité est excellente et comparable aux montres suisses.
    Les mouvements sont robustes et précis.
    Le look des boitiers est intéressant et le prix est très abordable.
    Pour avoir l’équivalent en mouvement suisse il faut multiplier par 2, 3 voire 10 le prix d’une ORIENT.
    Merci ORIENT de faire de belles montres abordables pour tous.

  33. By Dick May Jr. on Nov 29, 2010

    Since there are only 16% of the wheels or moving parts to the winding system, the original cost should be less, the wear is decreased with less balancing, the lubrication is at fewer points and the total amount of work that the system must do to achieve the same goal as its competition is substantially decreased. This creates fewer points or parts to cause a problem. With the proper balancing this Orient system should last substantially longer if not for an indefinite length of time. With proper cleanng and lubbing the watch may last almost for ever. At least this part of the movement could very easily last as long as the balance of the movement.

  34. By Jason Hoa on Dec 4, 2010

    I recently have a chance to buy 2 limited edition watch by Orient (Made in Japan), the movement is great… it just take a few minute wind is already full change of about 2 days. And, of couse the price of it is much cheaper than the Swiss Watch. May be the part is less…(from the video)
    To be more simple, I will say “Good and affordable price, Orient Made it”.

  35. By Dino Goden on Jan 1, 2011

    My observation seems to back up this video. I have several automatics/mechanicals: one Swiss ETA, and several branded Miyota movements, several Chinese mushroom brands, two Seiko, and two Orients. In the my 3 years of watch collecting, cleaning and fixing usually runs me about $80 to $100 per watch at the jeweler, whereas I’ve never had to do spend any money on maintenance on the Orients. The simplicity of design directly translates into savings.

  36. By Santo on Jan 21, 2011

    After watching this video I ordered a Blue Mako to start and will be thinking of my next Orient purchase.

  37. By Iouli on Jan 22, 2011

    I’ve got my father’s ORIENT (Cal469) for 30 !!! Years. When he bought this beautyful watch it was gaining 10 sec a day. I adjusted it to 1 sec a day within a month. Since then he and then I never had a problem until two years ago when water gained inside. I took it to the service and now it is on my wrist agin. Another 30 years I hope…

  38. By Gregory on Feb 3, 2011

    I would like to see more info and videos of this kind about Orient movements. I recently bought a nice Seiko and an Orient 2er the same day and the Orient is keeping much better time. Also, I would suggest to the Orient company to use shorter naming conventions for their watch movements, eg. 1861, 7750, 7S26… That makes them easier to talk about and discus for collectors and aficionados. but all in all, I am a convert and am definitely telling my less-informed friends about Orient watches.

  39. By jeremy on Mar 12, 2011

    I like how easy orient movements are.

  40. By Bryan on Mar 12, 2011

    I think Orients give the really excellent value for money. Its under rated for the value and satisfaction you get for owning such a reliable watch. I own 2 other Japanese Automatics and 3 Swiss Automatics and I can really feel the difference in the winding efficiency. After I got my orient, I’ve been hooked and am looking forward to my 3rd orient watch purchase!

  41. By Ahmad Sarg on Mar 20, 2011

    Great time Keeping, Great Simple Designs.
    Simply the best value for the money.

  42. By Ron Pearson on Mar 27, 2011

    The Orient has less moving parts,thus. less chance of Murfys Law.

  43. By Ron Pearson on Mar 27, 2011

    The orient has less moving parts and that means there are less things to go wrong.

  44. By Luis Guadarrama on Apr 12, 2011

    Here in the Baja Peninsula, Orient divers are very popular with the diving community at large. Two reasons for this: 1- best value in the market; and 2- this part of Mexico was, until fairly recently, a duty free zone that Japanese watch manufacturers took advantage from… setting the standard in the region.

  45. By KAMAL KUMAR.G on Apr 20, 2011

    Crafting quality watches even simple
    ordinary people can own. Thank U Orient
    U have made our life easier and time
    consistent for years to come.

  46. By ChandanMukherjee on Apr 21, 2011

    My Orient watch is 35 years old and it looks as if I bought it yesterday. The otherday someone offered me 1000 pounds for the watch. I gently refused. It is dearer than my wife to me. The model gives date, day,calender and world time.

  47. By ChandanMukherjee on Apr 21, 2011

    My grandson will wear this watch when he joins the diving school.

  48. By Steve V on Jul 8, 2011

    I am sorry but I must whole heartedly … agree. I have two very nice very popular Swiss made watches, one with the greatest innovation in watch making in the last hundred years. And I have an Orient #2ER00002D, it is within one second every week and my other two gain five and seven seconds each per week.
    I like them all equally but the cost and accuracy of the Orient compared to the other watches means it is a better value.

  49. By adrian on Aug 24, 2011

    for me are the best watches orient

  50. By phil on Sep 1, 2011

    After reading about the quality of asian watch movements I am now asian,hehe.

  51. By Al Fountain on Sep 29, 2011

    Seriously, I falied to find one objective comment… all is emotional and useless words.
    btw… THE school should be of of those is Switzerland where you become Master in horlogy… not started teaching 20 years ago, c’mon.
    Always americans trying to lessen something of excellence :P

  52. By Rena Graham on Oct 27, 2011

    Within its experience, the Swiss can claim to have invented the first quartz watch, the first water resistant wristwatch, the thinnest wristwatch in the world, the first wristwatch, and the smallest and most expensive watch in the world.

    However, with the technological innovation in Japan, it would not be a surprise if they could create better movement than the institution. who would know right?

  53. By V Huynh on Nov 25, 2011

    Swiss Made are not KISS Made

  54. By jesus arteaga on Dec 1, 2011

    can you please provide a catalog of the lates orient models. Any updates on models?
    please let me know where I can find in the USA a good selection of orient automatic watches

  55. By Giovan on Dec 30, 2011

    hi, i have two orient 469wa2 and 469ss02. I love this watches. It´s are 6 years old and always work fine. I’m brazilian, if anyone like brazilian orient, please access
    http://www.orientnet.com.br

  56. By David on Jan 4, 2012

    I have an Orient Watch and i like it very much. However, the date mechanism stopped moving and it looses time even after correcting. I don’t know what the problem is and i am afraid of taking to the local watch repair guys. Is there any way i can be advised or assisted to have the problem rectified.Does Orient watch company have a repair or maintenance unit in Nairobi, Kenya,?

  57. By Fred on Jan 25, 2012

    ETA is one thing, but the Patek Philippe Caliber 215PS in my Calatrava is probably less simple than the Orient movement, but I think it is far superior than either the Orient or ETA movement. A bit more expensive than either though. I wouldn’t let these guys in the videos take it apart, that’s for sure.

  58. By jon trouser pants on Feb 1, 2012

    I apologies for the second author, his wife needs a divorce. Watches tell the time, we read it, The other half of your life offers so much, and does so much for better or worse. Tick tock!

  59. By Adams on Mar 21, 2012

    Orient time is time I can depend on

  60. By dave on Apr 7, 2012

    buy a seiko as well.especially the orange monster.will purchase an orient though.

  61. By Ko on May 13, 2012

    I haven’t looked at Orient watches in person yet, but I probably will.

  62. By julie mills on Aug 31, 2012

    I own two orients, two rados, a tissot, and a number of high end swiss watches. For daily wear, diving, and sailboat racing (where time really matters) the Orients are equal in every way.

    In terms of durability and how the finish holds up the only watch I own that comes close is a rado costing easily 10x as much.

  63. By Marvin McConoughey on Feb 23, 2013

    I would like to own an Orient watch because, at the age of 75, every moment is precious and the Orient watch will help me keep track of the happy days that remain.

  64. By Rod Retana on Mar 13, 2013

    I have researched the Orient Watch for several weeks now, and i can’t seem to fine any negative statements for these watches. The more I research the more i am impressed with the Orient Watch. I plan on comparing my first Orient with all the other watches my friends own and I am positive they will be of better quality and performance.

  65. By Paul Altieri on Aug 7, 2013

    There is nothing more timeless than an exotic Orient Watch, but there is nothing more iconic than a Rolex Submariner, so I’d have to plead the fifth in this case.
    http://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-submariner-1.html

  66. By Thomas Walcott on Aug 7, 2013

    Orient wins, hands down.

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